Behind the Lens – Photo Critique

03 Oct 2011 admin In G+ Posts

So I need critiques, and then when someone sees the issues I see I need some LR Guru's to point me in the right direction…..

Because this shot seems to look very different than this when viewed in LR – but when exported it looks different – Export must be the issue…

But all opinions about all aspects very much appreciated…

Meanwhile I will be critiquing others submitted stuff….

This is to make up for doing no photography tonight and missing the Photowalk weekend because of work….. dumb work…

Comments: 39

  1. Jesse Gage 3 Oct 2011 Reply

    I've had a similar inconsistent experience with LR. Maybe things come out different in LR because they are framed against a black background (at least in my version) which is drastically different from say Google+
    s white background?

  2. LaDonna Pride 3 Oct 2011 Reply

    at this point you are so far ahead of me…..I don't feel I have anything to add… is a beautiful photograph…her eyes do look a bit strange to me…..but I couldn't even begin to tell you what needs to change.

  3. Ricardo Williams 3 Oct 2011 Reply

    What do you want me to critique? Its just about opinions on what I would have done differently… Wrong with this photo??… not sure anything is wrong besides of personal preferences. Some would like it framed straight, some would like a different BnW processing, some would like a bit less softening, some would rather have color. But all of that is subjective. It's not cropped wrong, or has blown, overexposed areas, composition is not bad… maybe too many feathery stuff at the left bottom corner…. +Brent Burzycki I dont really see what to critique here… its all subjective buddy. Great job!!

  4. Tremaine Lea 3 Oct 2011 Reply

    It seems…. softer than I'd go for. The contrast between the soft focus/light and the grey cushion throws it off I think. The cushion itself has fairly high detail, and is a different texture than the other elements.

    Unfortunately I have no idea how you'd fix this in LR, and I don't do the PS thing.

  5. Tremaine Lea 3 Oct 2011 Reply

    Also, just noticed there's a highlight on her shoulder you could probably tone down with the recovery tool in LR. I don't think you'd want to reduce the exposure any further to eliminate it.

  6. Brent Burzycki 3 Oct 2011 Reply

    +Jaycee Crawford thanks… actually there is always a back story – this one is I shot this in 2005 with a cheap 24mm lens and failed to focus on the eyes….. fail on my part….even with the filter erased, they are still not sharp….

    +Jesse Gage I am thinking it has to do with jpg conversion… so my real question is what is the preview in LR… PRoPhoto? jpg? some weird super secret sauce?

  7. Mike Keller 3 Oct 2011 Reply

    What is the difference between the image in the browser and the image in LR? When you export, are you exporting to sRGB?

  8. Would it be possible for you to screenshot the light room version to have something to compare with. Personally I would like the model to stand out more from the white fur or whatever is in the foreground. Also the hair falls off to the background to much to me. Love the model's pose. Just a little to soft for my taste.

  9. Jess Sturgeon 3 Oct 2011 Reply

    I'm no pro, and like the others said, its just personal preference; but I actually like the effect on the eyes — the cheek, lip and even the arm areas are a little too soft for me, from the looks of the image, I would say about half way from where you started to where you finished.

  10. Mike Keller 3 Oct 2011 Reply

    On my screen, I think it looks great. The only possible quibbles might be to slightly burn the lower left corner, and to lighten the whites of her eyes. But that's maybe a good idea and maybe not!

  11. Cora Reed 3 Oct 2011 Reply

    I find that when I use curves, the images turn out better when translated to jpg from raw. I am assuming you are referring to the over all tone. There is nothing per say wrong with the image except for tone. As the other crits. have said, there is very little wrong with your model/pose/etc. I find it irritating when people comment on the model more than the technical aspect of the image.

  12. Brent Burzycki 3 Oct 2011 Reply

    +Curtis Gibeaut Jr. well you caught one of my issues – no hair light… this was a one light strobe shot.. and this background is the blackest material I have ever seen it just eats light…. I think the problem is I cannot screenshot the issue because in making a screenshot it creates a jpg and thus the issue arises…

    +Ken Tam well I thought I did.. I will try to re-calibrate… all in all I am not happy with either monitor I have.. from the feedback i get it seems they are never right or mine are perfect and everyone else's are off 🙂

    +Mike Keller The image in the LR windows has much more clarity and the shadows are much more detailed…as in the shadow falloff is much better… and to answer your SRGB – yes.. so maybe its just the loss of image detail…

    +Tremaine Lea thanks for the ideas… some of these issues I clearly created by using filters and very selective lighting and sadly that does tend to blow out some aspects – like her shoulder…..

    +Ricardo Williams I think there is always something wrong…..

    Here are some examples of what I see when I turn the critical eye on this shot….

    +LaDonna Pride honestly thats exactly what I am looking for… what is strange or seems wrong to you…. and never fear telling me whatever.. every POV is important when it comes to opinions.. I try to cater to a huge market that differs so greatly its hard to even begin to know what each person thinks… G+ for me is a way to attempt to get my head around what people look at…

  13. Brent Burzycki 3 Oct 2011 Reply

    +Jess Sturgeon +Mike Keller +Cora Reed

    See really I have everyone at a disadvantage because I know what the original image looks like and what I did after the fact…..

    Here is a sample with the original and the edited…

  14. Mike Keller 3 Oct 2011 Reply

    Your diffusion killed your eye catchlights. Not sure if that also caused some of the tonal compression, or if it was intentional when you made the hot shoulder darken, but something caused your eye whites to disappear as well. If you did all this in Lightroom, you may have needed to go to Photoshop and use layers to keep some of those special items from being caught in global effects.

    I'm not gonna comment on some of your other nits because I'm not a glamour photographer. 🙂 A stray hair doesn't bother me; I like my subjects to look like humans. 🙂

  15. Brent Burzycki 3 Oct 2011 Reply

    +Mike Keller yeh sadly in many cases it is about making perfection…… but then again as you can imagine the models do not mind if you shed a wrinkle or fold – it allows them to eat like humans….

  16. Kirk Shorte 3 Oct 2011 Reply

    In LR you can go to your Preferences and select External Editing. That's where you can set your color space. If you're outputting your images as jpegs they might look different but in the export from LR you also have the option of changing the color space again to sRGB, Adobe RBG 1998 or Prophoto. If your plans is to publish your images on the web sRBG is the best color space for the web. If you're posting images saved in the prophoto or AdobeRGB you will definitely see a difference in the color rendition. If you're shooting RAW you will always have more latitude with you color editing. If you're shooting jpeg you have less control.

  17. Brent Burzycki 3 Oct 2011 Reply

    So my real big question is what is displayed in the LR window….. I know we can output to Mutiple formats, but what format are we actually editing in or do we need t care because what's on the screen should be rendered out no matter the format chosen….I do not think that is true…

  18. Kirk Shorte 3 Oct 2011 Reply

    LR creates a jpeg preview that you see on the screen but you select the color space that you want to work in. THe screen tries to render the image so that it looks good but there's one other factor that might be coming into play here. Is your monitor calibrated?

  19. Kirk Shorte 3 Oct 2011 Reply

    I downloaded your NEF files and it seems that the highlighted areas are way blown out. I was able to get a little bit of the brides hair to show but the bright band over her and the groom is very bright. Were you adjusting the ISO up or playing with the shutter speed?

  20. Ricardo Williams 3 Oct 2011 Reply

    Stupid hair… shinkles… Stupid rug…. terrible photoshop… .That all made me laugh!! I get your point… if we go by the premise that nothing is perfect there will always be flaws… if you go to minimalistic detail you will always find them. So you will always get critiques on any shot…. in my POV the details you point out (the majority) are minimal and the photo overall is a win. Now the stupid rug… that was a problem :]

  21. Brent Burzycki 3 Oct 2011 Reply

    +Kirk Shorte I think you might have miss posted on your last comment…. I know how that feels.. I was going to ask how you got my NEF files thou.. 🙂

  22. Brent Burzycki 3 Oct 2011 Reply

    +Ricardo Williams The rug is itchy also…..

  23. Kirk Shorte 3 Oct 2011 Reply

    Oh, you are right I was replying to from another G guy who had taken some photos at a hastily requested wedding. Sorry, there's no way I could have gotten any of your files. My bad for not paying attention. =;^)

  24. Brent Burzycki 3 Oct 2011 Reply

    +Kirk Shorte Well if you had I would have been very scared….

  25. Mike Attanasio 3 Oct 2011 Reply

    I'm not so sure the highlights are such a problem for me. The lack of sufficient light on her left side of her face as well as the top of her head(as a few others have said), the rest I like!

  26. Paul Pavlinovich 4 Oct 2011 Reply

    Check the colour space you are exporting to – make sure it is sRGB and that your export settings are not doing anything unexpected such as colour changes or sharpening.

  27. Ryan Thompson 4 Oct 2011 Reply

    I love the photo! Well maybe I just love the girl but whatever it is an eye catching shot. My guess is you went a bit heavy with clarity, I tend to do that in LR everytime I mess with clarity.

  28. Brent Burzycki 4 Oct 2011 Reply

    +Richard Digimist +Craig Strachan thanks

    +Ryan Thompson I do wonder many times if the content is being critiqued vs the photo….

    +Paul Pavlinovich I will double check…. I could just be insane…. and think I am seeing differences that are just not there…

  29. i want photo like this!

  30. Brent Burzycki 4 Oct 2011 Reply

    +Ilona Kozlovicova Are you a Model? If you in the US I am sure we can find someone to help you out… 🙂

  31. no, im not in US, im in Europe 🙁

  32. Brent Burzycki 4 Oct 2011 Reply

    +Ilona Kozlovicova Shame… so many amazing looking women in Europe… I should probably move….

  33. yes! you have to! 🙂 and thank you 🙂

  34. Brent Burzycki 4 Oct 2011 Reply

    +Ilona Kozlovicova do you want to be added to my "Models" circle? if you are modeling in Europe….let me know…

  35. i was a model, but not now, i want it do it again, but here is problematic, because i live in a small town and small state. 🙁 yes, u can added me to your "models" circle, if you want.

  36. Brent Burzycki 4 Oct 2011 Reply

    +Ilona Kozlovicova ok – no problem… and I have heard of issues similar to your many times…

  37. i see…i dont know what i have to do…but it will be ok 🙂 im optimist 🙂

  38. Graeme Milton 5 Oct 2011 Reply

    +Brent Burzycki My guess, and it is just a guess is that in LR you are eorking in the same colour space that you shot in, i.e. I think if you shoot in adobe RGB in camera LR will just continue this when you take it into the develop module and push it around.

    Anyway, this I do know, because your moving things around in an undestructive manner it shouldn't matter if say you super saturate the red and then bring them back, your not going to clip anything and lose information as its all non destructive editing.

    Hope this helps.

  39. gabriel n 6 Oct 2011 Reply


Leave a Comment!

Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *